Shofar FTP Archive File: people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/followups-empty
Warning: this is a collection of articles from Matt Giwer that contains
not a single byte of thought from him. Each of these is simply a
followup to an article, usually with the entire article quoted, and one
of his "stock" files appended. Usually, it is hard to figure what the
appended file has to do with the quoted text; in the cases where they
do have marginal relevance, it's probably just random coincidence.
Articles which include a great deal of quoted text, no typed response,
but also _no_ appended tagline, have _not_ been included here. This file
is designed to show Giwer's intentions to waste bandwidth and time by
means of irrelevant appended files. I've been scrupulous about avoiding
content; once I pasted in 150 lines of spam only to discover that there
was one line of insult that I missed, so I deleted it.
As for why Giwer would reply with nothing but a "tagline," see his
bragging about the length and irrelevancy of those taglines in:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/the-longer-my-tagline
See also:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/followups-why
And:
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse/followups-one-liner
- Jamie McCarthy (jamie@voyager.net), June 25, 1996
(groan) This is a lot of work and I may not be able to keep it up much
longer. We're up to 200K and no end in sight.
Also, note the comments of DThomas ("DvdThomas") on Mr. Giwer:
"Spamming," unless I misunderstand the term (which could be the case)
does not seem to apply to what is going on here[...] If you don't
like his posts, don't read them.
For the full context, see
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/nyms/dthomas/dthomas-on-giwer
- Jamie, July 1, 1996
Up to 600K now.
- Jamie, July 10-11, 1996
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'I Witnessed a Gassing' Giwer Lies still
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 06:06:24 GMT
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>The Gwier liar, witnessed nothing. With the possible exception of
>kiddie porno. Take a look at his home page and he has the balls to
>call other people ugly. This has to be one of the worst dipsticks on
>earth. He's really a troller, but a real dumb troller, and he even
>admits that he's a troller, and stupid too, while bragging about an
>alleged IQ of 40-60 something. He's so easily nailed when he bluffs,
>when he's caught at it, not a peep. I'm a third rate holohugger
>according to Giewer, and he may be right, but even this old fart can
>best the Gweir Liar. It's so easy, 'cause he's so fu---ing dumb. Ask
>him about The Nazi camp Theresienstadt. He mentioned it one time, BS
>and when challenged, he never mentioned it again. This turkey is 100%
>bluff. Can't prove a thing, can't be humiliated like ordinary folk, no
>pride at all. A fool, a joker, a clown. A human waste basket.
>Chuckles, idiot extraordinaire
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A match made in heaven?
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:26:37 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4poio9$4ui@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
>Ostrov) said:
>>I do hope the Giwer-troll sees this one. Looks like if he played his
>>cards just right, he might be able to persuade this societal misfit that
>>she should pay him some attention. They obviously have a great deal in
>>common. I think they'll get along famously.
>>Just imagine! Ingrid will be able to add their thanks to her growing list
>>of appreciative testimonials.
>>And If we are *really* lucky, H*berlette and Giwer-troll will get so
>>involved in their off-line personal correspondence that they will forget
>>all about posting their hate-filled fact-bereft drivel to this newsgroup.
>>And we'll all post happily ever after. Well, I can dream, can't I?!
>To dream....the impossible dream......
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT
" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491.
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: Are the media inaccurate? Griswald tha turkey
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>Dear Lester,
>In response to your very thoughtful post of this date, I just wanted
>to express my deep gratitude for your message, which I'm sure comes
>from the heart and is well intended.
>You must have seen the great photo of me posted by Jeannie. You should
>look so good when you're a grizzled old fart. (but you should also
>live so long).
>Les Griswold wrote:
>>
>> Grizzled old fart Chuckles Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
>clipped all the cheap shots out. But I did mean for you to take my
>advise seriously. Took me many years of self control to learn those
>lessons, which I pass on to you for free and I hope in time.
>> Jealous, old man? What you used to be able to do all night, it now takes
>> you all night to do?
>Not really, just about ten minutes longer, but it's still a beautiful
>thing. And no kids lurking around the corners.
>>
>> But really, Chuckles, such filthy talk ill suits a distinguished man such
>> as yourself.
>I'm sorry if my advise offended you, Leslie, my boy, it was said with
>the best of intentions, and your health and welfare in mind.
> After all, you're a hoity-toity hollow-causer, one of those
>> Americans who was everywhere and saw everything.
>Yeah, just about everything there is to see. Plus I've done everything
>I ever wanted to do.
>How about you?
>I ask you now, hoity-toity? Is that a wholesome way to put it? The
>other phrase escapes me: hollow-causer, sort of sounds like something
>the Giwer Liar would say. You are maybe low-down, but are you saying
>that you're at his level? I mean that is one very sick man!
> Should you really be
>> talking about solitary vices?
>Oh, that's O.K. when you reach the grizzled old fart stage of life. A
>vice is a vice, not too many left.
>>
>> > Even as an old fart, I can still cause punks like you to holler for
>> > help.
>>
>> :-)
>Right! If you ever see me in a dark alley, better speed it up, cause
>it's all over quick.
>:-)
>Guess the matter of gas chambers in Dachau is settled then. You lose.
>Chuck
>> Les
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT
" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491.
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I Witnessed a Giwer Brainstorm (Re: 'I Wit
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:58:22 GMT
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>
>[About a repulsive article Giwer posted regarding Hilary Ostrov]
>
># I hope that lurkers in this newsgroup will carefully note this
># article.
>
>Indeed. And the following one, that Giwer posted yesterday:
>
>
>
># Message-ID: <4pu1ju$3s6@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
>
>[...]
>
># Despite your fantasies, you are still fat and you have zero
># abilities to merit the title of co-webmaster were you not laying
># some one at Nizkor.
>#
># You know that and it is obvous here.
>#
># You are, of course, another piece of shit from the vanity site
># of Nizkor.
>
>
>163 IQ points the Giwer claims to have; 163, not a point less.
>-Danny Keren.
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Subject: Soap, soap and more soap
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:55:35 GMT
4/30/81:
The editorial page of the Los Angeles Times contains a piece by
Rachel Patron, who
claims that as a Polish Jew she was shipped off to Siberia by the
Soviets during WWII (and
you thought all Polish Jews were captured and gassed by Nazis). Ms.
Patron goes on to
state that on later passing through Ukraine on her return to Poland
she found a shed full of
soap made from Jews. Isn't it interesting how these Holocaust
survivors can remember
seeing things that never existed?
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'I Witnessed a Gassing'
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q4jel$l2c@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
>Ostrov) said:
>>
>>In <4q2lan$2t2s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
>>wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>I hope that lurkers in this newsgroup will carefully note this article. I
>>>also hope that Ms. Ostrov will not do what the Giwer-troll is trying to
>have
>>>her do, and that is engage in a flamewar. That is his usual tactic when
>he
>>>is being decimated in an argument: descend into the gutter where he feels
>at
>>>home and try to drag the other person down there with him.
>>Oh, ye of little faith! Mr. McFee, apart from having no interest in any
>>lies the gutter-troll might spew in my direction, the only flamewars I
>>engage in are against those who have the wit (or at least half a wit) and
>>wherewithal to defend themselves. Me, flame a witless gutter-troll?!
>>That would be most unfair (not to mention unladylike!), and I would
>>_never_ stoop so low to conquer:>)
>I am confirmed in my faith that you would not be induced to descend to the
>level of the Giwer-Troll, as easy a victory as that would have been. I am
>sure you, like the rest of us, have noticed that the Giwer-troll's venom
>increases in direct proportion to the extent to which he is being bested in
>an argument and being revealed for the witless, vile, lying, evil person
>that he is.
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'I Witnessed a Gassing'
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>said:
>>
>>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>># hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:
>>## As an example, those who know me will confirm that I stand 5' ## tall
>>and weigh slightly under 100lbs.
>># The only person who knows you is the one you are laying for the #
>>co-webmater in your sig. You have no idea what you are doing, fat #
>>broad.
>>#
>># Despite your fantasies, you are still fat and you have zero abilities #
>>to merit the title of co-webmaster were you not laying some one at Nizkor.
>>#
>># You know that and it is obvous here.
>>#
>># You are, of course, another piece of shit from the vanity site of #
>>Nizkor.
>>Remember, folks, it's Matt Giwer, the man with the alleged IQ of 163, who
>>wrote all this.
>Impressive, no?
>>Must have been a long day with the bottle, eh Giwer?
>I suspect most of his days are like that.
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
JAPANESE WAR CRIMES TRIALS
While Germans were being convicted of making human "soap" (taken
seriously in the seventh edition of Oppenheim and Lauterpacht's
prestigious International Law, vol. II, p. 450) Japanese defendants were
being convicted of making human "soup" in repeated trials.
This is not a misprint; it was considered a "proven fact" in 1948 - a
"fact" proven in numerous "trials" - that the Japanese are a race of
habitual cannibals who were forbidden upon pain of death from devouring
the corpses of their own dead, but who were officially encouraged to eat
Americans. Americans were served fried, or as soup; people were eaten
when other food was available. Thus, the Japanese engage in cannibalism
out of choice rather than necessity. Favourite human body parts for
culinary purposes are liver, pancreas and gall bladder; Chinese are
swallowed in pill form!
Among the "trials" in which this was "proven" are U.S. Tachibana Yochio
and 13 others, Mariana Islands, 2nd-15th August, 1946; Commonwealth of
Australia vs. Tazaki Takehiko, Wewak, 30th November 1945; Commonwealth
of Australia v. Tomiyasu Tisato, Rabaul, 2nd April 1946; and the most
complex war crimes trial in history, the International Military Tribunal
for the Far East (IMTFE) personally supervised by Douglas McArthur,
which lasted from May 1946 until December 1948 (see The Tokyo Judgment,
vol. 1, pp. 409-410, University of Amsterdam Press 1977, pp. 49,674-5 of
mimeographed transcript.
The 25 defendants who survived trial were all convicted; 7 were hanged.
Their crimes included:
Planning, initiation and waging "aggressive war" against the Soviet
Union (the Soviet Union attacked Japan two days after Hiroshima in
violation of a Non-Agression Pact; on this same day the London Agreement
was signed, pursuant to which the Nuremberg Trial was held); planning,
initiation, and waging "aggressive war" against France (France is in
Europe); illegal sea blockade and indiscriminate population bombing
(case against Shimada), that is, the actions of the British in Europe
would have been illegal if committed by the Japanese; trial of war
criminals before a military tribunal (case against Hata and Tojo; see
also U.S. vs. Sawada, probably the most disgusting and hypocritical
accusation of all; the victims were 7 Americans guilty of participating
in the fire-bombing of Tokyo in which 80,000 women and children were
burned to death) and cannibalism. It was not alleged that the defendants
ate anyone personally.
The evidence included:
* Soviet War Crimes Reports * Chinese War Crimes Reports * Soviet
reports based on Japanese documents not attached to the reports *
Summaries of Japanese military aggression in China (written by the
Chinese) * 317 Judge Advocate General War Crimes Reports (total length:
14,618 pages) "quoting" "captured" Japanese documents, diaries,
cannibalism confessions, mass murder orders, orders to gas P.O.W.s on
remote South Sea islands, etc. ("captured documents" not attached to
reports; proof of authenticity not required) * affidavits of Japanese
soldiers imprisoned in Siberia * affidavits of Japanese referring to
Japs as the 'enemy' * affidavits of Red Army Officers * newspaper
clippings (admissable evidence for the prosecution, but not usually for
the defense; i.e., events in China were proven by quoting the Chicago
Daily Tribune, the New Orleans Times- Picayune, the Sacrimento Herald,
Oakland Tribune, New York Herald, New York Times, Christian Science
Monitor, etc. * the "affidavit" of Marquis Takugawa (written in English
and not read to him in Japanese) * the statements of Okawa (Okawa was
declared insane and confined to a lunatic asylum, but his statements
were used in evidence) * the testimony of Tanaka (a professional witness
paid by the Americans; Okawa, when drunk, has confessed everything to
Tanaka; Tanaka 'The Monster' Ryukichi was supposedly responsible for
millions of atrocities but was not tried, instead he moved freely about
Japan) * Kido's diary (titbits of gossip about everybody Kido didn't
like) * Harada's Memoirs (Harada had suffered a stroke, so his dictation
was incomprehensible; how well he could remember and what he meant to
say were anybody's guess; the translations were a guess; many different
"copies" had been "corrected" by a variety of people other than the
person to whom he had dictated; added to which he had a reputation for
telling lies).
The Prosecution's Answer to Defense Arguments at the end of the trial
refutes all defensive evidence, stating that documents (translations of
excerpts "copies" without proof of issuance or signature) are the best
witnesses. If prosecution and defense both quote a document, defense
have quoted out of context, but never the prosecution. Hearsay has
probative value; testimony of defense witnesses has no probative value;
cross- examination is a waste of time.
Five of the 11 judges - William Webb of Australia, Delfin Jaranilla of
the Philippines, and Bert. A. Ršling of the Netherlands, Henri Bernhard
of France, and R.B. Pal of India - dissented. Pal wrote a famous 700
page dissentient opinion in which he called the prosecution atrocity
evidence "mostly worthless", remarking sarcastically that he hoped one
of the documents was in Japanese.
A peculiarity of war crimes trials is that far from "proving" anything,
they all contradict each other. It was held at Tokyo that the Chinese
had a "right" to violate "unfair" treaties, and that Japanese efforts to
enforce such treaties - because they were "unfair" - constituted
"aggression".
When the atomic bombs were dropped, Shigemitsu had been attempting to
negotiate a surrender for nearly 11 months, beginning on September 14,
1944. This of course became another "crime" - "prolonging the war
through negotiation".
"Proof" of Japanese cannibal activity may be found in JAG Report 317,
pp. 12,467-8 of mimeographed transcript; Exhibits 1446 and 1447, pp.
12,576-7; Exhibit 1873, pp. 14, 129-30, and Exhibits 2056 and 2056A and
B, pp. 15,032- 42.
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Subject: Re: 'I Witnessed a Gassing' Giwer Lies still
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>The Gwier liar, witnessed nothing. With the possible exception of
>kiddie porno. Take a look at his home page and he has the balls to
>call other people ugly. This has to be one of the worst dipsticks on
>earth. He's really a troller, but a real dumb troller, and he even
>admits that he's a troller, and stupid too, while bragging about an
>alleged IQ of 40-60 something. He's so easily nailed when he bluffs,
>when he's caught at it, not a peep. I'm a third rate holohugger
>according to Giewer, and he may be right, but even this old fart can
>best the Gweir Liar. It's so easy, 'cause he's so fu---ing dumb. Ask
>him about The Nazi camp Theresienstadt. He mentioned it one time, BS
>and when challenged, he never mentioned it again. This turkey is 100%
>bluff. Can't prove a thing, can't be humiliated like ordinary folk, no
>pride at all. A fool, a joker, a clown. A human waste basket.
>Chuckles, idiot extraordinaire
========
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Insulin Hoax (was Re: Fritsch was a fraud)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:38:50 GMT
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Keith Morrison wrote:
>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> Keith Morrison wrote:
>>
>> >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:17:42 GMT, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
>> >> >wrote [well, actually he didn't write much of anything]:
>> >>
>> >> >In 1921, Frederick Banting and Charles Best co-discovered the
>> >> >pancreatic hormone insulin, used in treating diabetes.
>> >>
>> >> >Frederick Banting and J.R. Macleod were the first in Canada to win the
>> >> >Nobel Prize in 1923 for their work in the isolation of insulin, a
>> >> >discovery that revolutionized the treatment of diabetes.
>> >>
>> >> >Both of these statements are true, and yet they are in apparent
>> >> >contradiction.
>> >>
>> >> >Can Mr. Giwer guess why? Probably not. But if he could, could he
>> >> >construct an analogy to Macleod, Banting, and Best using the names of,
>> >> >say, Hoess, Fritsch, and Breitwieser? Probably not.
>> >>
>> >> Off topic. The difference goes far beyond name alone.
>> >>
>> >> And then of course there is the third true story. I am certain there
>> >> are more true stories to be found.
>>
>> >Translation:
>>
>> >"No I can't because I have no idea who those people are, what went on
>> >or anything relating to actual science because everytime I put my
>> >mouth in gear my brain stays in neutral and I look like a complete
>> >moron."
>>
>> I would rather hold that people are real morons when they believe the
>> modern, sanitized version of stories like the following.
>Translation:
>"No I can't because I have no idea who those people are, what went on
>or anything relating to actual science because everytime I put my
>mouth in gear my brain stays in neutral and I look like a complete
>moron."
>--
>Keith Morrison
>t08o@unb.ca
>I am now quite satisfied that Giwer's BS is exactly that: BS.
JAPANESE WAR CRIMES TRIALS
While Germans were being convicted of making human "soap" (taken
seriously in the seventh edition of Oppenheim and Lauterpacht's
prestigious International Law, vol. II, p. 450) Japanese defendants were
being convicted of making human "soup" in repeated trials.
This is not a misprint; it was considered a "proven fact" in 1948 - a
"fact" proven in numerous "trials" - that the Japanese are a race of
habitual cannibals who were forbidden upon pain of death from devouring
the corpses of their own dead, but who were officially encouraged to eat
Americans. Americans were served fried, or as soup; people were eaten
when other food was available. Thus, the Japanese engage in cannibalism
out of choice rather than necessity. Favourite human body parts for
culinary purposes are liver, pancreas and gall bladder; Chinese are
swallowed in pill form!
Among the "trials" in which this was "proven" are U.S. Tachibana Yochio
and 13 others, Mariana Islands, 2nd-15th August, 1946; Commonwealth of
Australia vs. Tazaki Takehiko, Wewak, 30th November 1945; Commonwealth
of Australia v. Tomiyasu Tisato, Rabaul, 2nd April 1946; and the most
complex war crimes trial in history, the International Military Tribunal
for the Far East (IMTFE) personally supervised by Douglas McArthur,
which lasted from May 1946 until December 1948 (see The Tokyo Judgment,
vol. 1, pp. 409-410, University of Amsterdam Press 1977, pp. 49,674-5 of
mimeographed transcript.
The 25 defendants who survived trial were all convicted; 7 were hanged.
Their crimes included:
Planning, initiation and waging "aggressive war" against the Soviet
Union (the Soviet Union attacked Japan two days after Hiroshima in
violation of a Non-Agression Pact; on this same day the London Agreement
was signed, pursuant to which the Nuremberg Trial was held); planning,
initiation, and waging "aggressive war" against France (France is in
Europe); illegal sea blockade and indiscriminate population bombing
(case against Shimada), that is, the actions of the British in Europe
would have been illegal if committed by the Japanese; trial of war
criminals before a military tribunal (case against Hata and Tojo; see
also U.S. vs. Sawada, probably the most disgusting and hypocritical
accusation of all; the victims were 7 Americans guilty of participating
in the fire-bombing of Tokyo in which 80,000 women and children were
burned to death) and cannibalism. It was not alleged that the defendants
ate anyone personally.
The evidence included:
* Soviet War Crimes Reports * Chinese War Crimes Reports * Soviet
reports based on Japanese documents not attached to the reports *
Summaries of Japanese military aggression in China (written by the
Chinese) * 317 Judge Advocate General War Crimes Reports (total length:
14,618 pages) "quoting" "captured" Japanese documents, diaries,
cannibalism confessions, mass murder orders, orders to gas P.O.W.s on
remote South Sea islands, etc. ("captured documents" not attached to
reports; proof of authenticity not required) * affidavits of Japanese
soldiers imprisoned in Siberia * affidavits of Japanese referring to
Japs as the 'enemy' * affidavits of Red Army Officers * newspaper
clippings (admissable evidence for the prosecution, but not usually for
the defense; i.e., events in China were proven by quoting the Chicago
Daily Tribune, the New Orleans Times- Picayune, the Sacrimento Herald,
Oakland Tribune, New York Herald, New York Times, Christian Science
Monitor, etc. * the "affidavit" of Marquis Takugawa (written in English
and not read to him in Japanese) * the statements of Okawa (Okawa was
declared insane and confined to a lunatic asylum, but his statements
were used in evidence) * the testimony of Tanaka (a professional witness
paid by the Americans; Okawa, when drunk, has confessed everything to
Tanaka; Tanaka 'The Monster' Ryukichi was supposedly responsible for
millions of atrocities but was not tried, instead he moved freely about
Japan) * Kido's diary (titbits of gossip about everybody Kido didn't
like) * Harada's Memoirs (Harada had suffered a stroke, so his dictation
was incomprehensible; how well he could remember and what he meant to
say were anybody's guess; the translations were a guess; many different
"copies" had been "corrected" by a variety of people other than the
person to whom he had dictated; added to which he had a reputation for
telling lies).
The Prosecution's Answer to Defense Arguments at the end of the trial
refutes all defensive evidence, stating that documents (translations of
excerpts "copies" without proof of issuance or signature) are the best
witnesses. If prosecution and defense both quote a document, defense
have quoted out of context, but never the prosecution. Hearsay has
probative value; testimony of defense witnesses has no probative value;
cross- examination is a waste of time.
Five of the 11 judges - William Webb of Australia, Delfin Jaranilla of
the Philippines, and Bert. A. Ršling of the Netherlands, Henri Bernhard
of France, and R.B. Pal of India - dissented. Pal wrote a famous 700
page dissentient opinion in which he called the prosecution atrocity
evidence "mostly worthless", remarking sarcastically that he hoped one
of the documents was in Japanese.
A peculiarity of war crimes trials is that far from "proving" anything,
they all contradict each other. It was held at Tokyo that the Chinese
had a "right" to violate "unfair" treaties, and that Japanese efforts to
enforce such treaties - because they were "unfair" - constituted
"aggression".
When the atomic bombs were dropped, Shigemitsu had been attempting to
negotiate a surrender for nearly 11 months, beginning on September 14,
1944. This of course became another "crime" - "prolonging the war
through negotiation".
"Proof" of Japanese cannibal activity may be found in JAG Report 317,
pp. 12,467-8 of mimeographed transcript; Exhibits 1446 and 1447, pp.
12,576-7; Exhibit 1873, pp. 14, 129-30, and Exhibits 2056 and 2056A and
B, pp. 15,032- 42.
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: No wonder we can't find the bodies
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:41:54 GMT
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abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels) wrote:
>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>>>> Here I keep seeing it said this guy Giwer is a troll and then he
>>>>unleashes a cornucopia, a rapid fire, a whole volley, a flood, a
>>>>hurricane, a 100 mega-ton series of articles that just about washes up
>>>>the Holocaust story.
>>>Very interesting Li'l Tommy ... if I hadn't noticed the headers in
>>>this post I would have thought I was reading something from one of
>>>Ingrid's Z-grams! Lots of effusion and one big lie camouflaged by
>>>zero substance.
>> Of course, naturally, no doubt you don't care to elaborate, right?
>Hmm, let's think a moment, perhaps we can solve that riddle by sheer power of mind.
>Where could that darned lie hide... Giwer is a troll? Nah... He did
>post many lines of text? No, neither... Well, what is left over, Mr. Moran? Can
>you guess?
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:39:48 GMT
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Keith Morrison wrote:
>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> Keith Morrison wrote:
>>
>> >mgiwer@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Keith Morrison wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Matt Giwer wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of interest is always those bones sent to the grinder. In the process
>> >> >> of the human body burning the two bones most likely to be left are the
>> >> >> pelvis and the skull. Yet in the few cases (for the partial cremation,
>> >> >> charred advocates this is unfortunate) where bones are in fact
>> >> >> mentioned, the skull is not mentioned.
>> >>
>> >> >I won't ask how many bones compose the skull and pelvis (because
>> >> >I know he doesn't have a clue) but I will ask where this piece of
>> >> >data comes from.
>> >>
>> >> Gee, now just where do I start with this one? There are numerous
>> >> approaches to answer it.
>> >>
>> >> Lets try this.
>> >>
>> >> Q: How many bones compose the skull and pelvis?
>> >>
>> >> A: The skull, two in an adult, counting the jaw, discounting the six
>> >> small bones in the ear. The pelvis, one.
>> >>
>> >> What did I miss?
>>
>> >In the skull, the frontal, the two parietals, the two temporals, the occipital,
>> >the ethmoid and the spenoid. That's eight composing the cranium. Fourteen
>> >(including the lower jaw) form the face.
>>
>> I had excluded the lower jaw. You are talking about the skull of a
>> child before the skull is fused. I had also excluded the six bones in
>> the ears. In adults those bones are referred to as regions.
>See troll. See Troll squirm.
>I also excluded the bones of the inner ear and indicated the lower jaw
>seperately. Unfortunetly Gray's Anatomy agrees with me, not you. Just
>about every reference I bothered to look in gave the names of those bones.
>The ones that didn't simply said the skull was composed of bones and didn't
>name them.
>For a look at the bones in the human skull,
> http://www.szote.u-szeged.hu/Anatomy/skul.html
>
>> Or are you really going to assert that the skull of an adult would fall
>> into its component parts if the flesh were removed?
>See Troll. See Troll squirm wildly.
>Someone explain the concept of the suture joint to Mr Giwer, will they? His
>ignorance is beginning to annoy me.
>
>> >Ah, but wait! We must still look at the pelvis. You said one bone, right?
>> >Let's see, there are the two hipbones and the sacrum. But each hipbone
>> >is made up of the ilium, the ischium and the pubis. So there are seven
>> >bones in total. Oh dear, 600% error. Oh well, almost as good as the
>> >skull, but not quite.
>>
>> Again, in adults, all fused. But of course you will hold they will fall
>> apart if the flesh is removed.
>I did not say that. It is called a suture joint. Look it up sometime. If you
>know how to use a reference.
>Someone had best let the medical profession, biologists, anthropologists and
>paleontologists that the human skeleton is composed of twenty-six few bones
>than people have assumed for the last 2000 years or so. Matt Giwer said so
>so it must be true.
>--
>Keith Morrison
>t08o@unb.ca
JAPANESE WAR CRIMES TRIALS
While Germans were being convicted of making human "soap" (taken
seriously in the seventh edition of Oppenheim and Lauterpacht's
prestigious International Law, vol. II, p. 450) Japanese defendants were
being convicted of making human "soup" in repeated trials.
This is not a misprint; it was considered a "proven fact" in 1948 - a
"fact" proven in numerous "trials" - that the Japanese are a race of
habitual cannibals who were forbidden upon pain of death from devouring
the corpses of their own dead, but who were officially encouraged to eat
Americans. Americans were served fried, or as soup; people were eaten
when other food was available. Thus, the Japanese engage in cannibalism
out of choice rather than necessity. Favourite human body parts for
culinary purposes are liver, pancreas and gall bladder; Chinese are
swallowed in pill form!
Among the "trials" in which this was "proven" are U.S. Tachibana Yochio
and 13 others, Mariana Islands, 2nd-15th August, 1946; Commonwealth of
Australia vs. Tazaki Takehiko, Wewak, 30th November 1945; Commonwealth
of Australia v. Tomiyasu Tisato, Rabaul, 2nd April 1946; and the most
complex war crimes trial in history, the International Military Tribunal
for the Far East (IMTFE) personally supervised by Douglas McArthur,
which lasted from May 1946 until December 1948 (see The Tokyo Judgment,
vol. 1, pp. 409-410, University of Amsterdam Press 1977, pp. 49,674-5 of
mimeographed transcript.
The 25 defendants who survived trial were all convicted; 7 were hanged.
Their crimes included:
Planning, initiation and waging "aggressive war" against the Soviet
Union (the Soviet Union attacked Japan two days after Hiroshima in
violation of a Non-Agression Pact; on this same day the London Agreement
was signed, pursuant to which the Nuremberg Trial was held); planning,
initiation, and waging "aggressive war" against France (France is in
Europe); illegal sea blockade and indiscriminate population bombing
(case against Shimada), that is, the actions of the British in Europe
would have been illegal if committed by the Japanese; trial of war
criminals before a military tribunal (case against Hata and Tojo; see
also U.S. vs. Sawada, probably the most disgusting and hypocritical
accusation of all; the victims were 7 Americans guilty of participating
in the fire-bombing of Tokyo in which 80,000 women and children were
burned to death) and cannibalism. It was not alleged that the defendants
ate anyone personally.
The evidence included:
* Soviet War Crimes Reports * Chinese War Crimes Reports * Soviet
reports based on Japanese documents not attached to the reports *
Summaries of Japanese military aggression in China (written by the
Chinese) * 317 Judge Advocate General War Crimes Reports (total length:
14,618 pages) "quoting" "captured" Japanese documents, diaries,
cannibalism confessions, mass murder orders, orders to gas P.O.W.s on
remote South Sea islands, etc. ("captured documents" not attached to
reports; proof of authenticity not required) * affidavits of Japanese
soldiers imprisoned in Siberia * affidavits of Japanese referring to
Japs as the 'enemy' * affidavits of Red Army Officers * newspaper
clippings (admissable evidence for the prosecution, but not usually for
the defense; i.e., events in China were proven by quoting the Chicago
Daily Tribune, the New Orleans Times- Picayune, the Sacrimento Herald,
Oakland Tribune, New York Herald, New York Times, Christian Science
Monitor, etc. * the "affidavit" of Marquis Takugawa (written in English
and not read to him in Japanese) * the statements of Okawa (Okawa was
declared insane and confined to a lunatic asylum, but his statements
were used in evidence) * the testimony of Tanaka (a professional witness
paid by the Americans; Okawa, when drunk, has confessed everything to
Tanaka; Tanaka 'The Monster' Ryukichi was supposedly responsible for
millions of atrocities but was not tried, instead he moved freely about
Japan) * Kido's diary (titbits of gossip about everybody Kido didn't
like) * Harada's Memoirs (Harada had suffered a stroke, so his dictation
was incomprehensible; how well he could remember and what he meant to
say were anybody's guess; the translations were a guess; many different
"copies" had been "corrected" by a variety of people other than the
person to whom he had dictated; added to which he had a reputation for
telling lies).
The Prosecution's Answer to Defense Arguments at the end of the trial
refutes all defensive evidence, stating that documents (translations of
excerpts "copies" without proof of issuance or signature) are the best
witnesses. If prosecution and defense both quote a document, defense
have quoted out of context, but never the prosecution. Hearsay has
probative value; testimony of defense witnesses has no probative value;
cross- examination is a waste of time.
Five of the 11 judges - William Webb of Australia, Delfin Jaranilla of
the Philippines, and Bert. A. Ršling of the Netherlands, Henri Bernhard
of France, and R.B. Pal of India - dissented. Pal wrote a famous 700
page dissentient opinion in which he called the prosecution atrocity
evidence "mostly worthless", remarking sarcastically that he hoped one
of the documents was in Japanese.
A peculiarity of war crimes trials is that far from "proving" anything,
they all contradict each other. It was held at Tokyo that the Chinese
had a "right" to violate "unfair" treaties, and that Japanese efforts to
enforce such treaties - because they were "unfair" - constituted
"aggression".
When the atomic bombs were dropped, Shigemitsu had been attempting to
negotiate a surrender for nearly 11 months, beginning on September 14,
1944. This of course became another "crime" - "prolonging the war
through negotiation".
"Proof" of Japanese cannibal activity may be found in JAG Report 317,
pp. 12,467-8 of mimeographed transcript; Exhibits 1446 and 1447, pp.
12,576-7; Exhibit 1873, pp. 14, 129-30, and Exhibits 2056 and 2056A and
B, pp. 15,032- 42.
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Subject: Re: Many things change
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q348p$sd2@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:
>Nothing. In response to my post about him being Mr. Green's biggest problem
>(read: pain in the butt), he posted nothing. I fear the Giwer-troll is
>losing his touch, if not his ability to lie.
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the miliary justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
The power research department of the Institute for Advanced Holohugger
Exposure has swung into action.
1) Quotes 15,000 per day for Belzec, 20,000 per day for Sobibor, 25,000
per day for Treblinka.
But perhaps they took the weekends off to get the average down to
today's slightly less absurd numbers.
2) Claims that Hitler and Himmler were at Majdanek (Lublin) on 15
August1942. Hitler is supposed to have said: "Quicker, quicker, carry
out the whole program!" Globocnik goes into his speech about sinking
bronze tablets into the ground commemorating the deed, and Hitler says,
"Yes, my good Globocnik, that is the word, that is my opinion, too."
Which is quite an incriminating statement by Hitler. Maybe it was one
of his doubles because he was never near the place.
3) On August 18, 1942, a train arrives at Belzec, 45 train cars with
6,700 people, of whom 1,450 are already dead.
Although not as bad as the packing factor below still pretty good.
4) The hair of the women is put into huge potatobags for "special
submarine equipment, doormats, etc."
Looks like these witnesses all had a hair fetish.
5) Completely naked they march by, men, women, girls, babies,
even one-legged persons, completely naked. in Augst.
Perhaps it was the handicapped drill team from Lublin. But wait there's
more
Meanwhile, the rest of the transport, all naked, wait. Somebody
says to me, "Naked in winter! But they can die that way!"
The weather appears to be quite changeable in Poland.
6) 7-800 crushed together on 25 square meters, in 45 cubic
meters!
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here and use 700. That means the
human body fits in a 0.06 meter cube. For the part of the world that
matters, that is a cube 15.8 inches on a side. Does, "not even if
reduced to liquid" mean anything to anyone?
Of course he might have just been trying to say that there were 28
people per square meter and that the roof was high enough that they
could form five high human pyramids.
7) The diesel engine fails to start. It takes 2 hours and 49 minutes,
according to Gerstein, who is using a stopwatch. Then it starts and it
takes 32 minutes to kill the people in the chamber.
And the famous story of how all of these people died, not from lack of
oxygen after 2 hours and 49 minutes in a sealed room, but from diesel
exhaust.
8) The figures announced by the BBC are inaccurate. Actually,
about 25 million persons were killed: not only Jews, however but
especially Poles and Czechoslovakians, too, who were in the opinion of
the Nazis bad stock.
It appears the holocausters are ignoring many more than the remaining 6
million, but rather the remaining 19 million victims.
9) at Treblinka There were 8 gas chanbers and whole mountains of
clothes and underwear about 35 -40 meters high
Sounds like Mt. Trashmore to me. Lets see between 115 and 130 foot high
piles of clothing and underwear. Although the underwear would account
for the smell it is unclear how those Polish spies missed this.
10) Gerstein claims that the worst camps were Auschwitz and Mauthausen,
where These are the places where millions of people disappeared
in gas chambers or gas chamber like cars. The method of killing the
children was to hold a tampon with prussic acid under the nose.
A tampon with prussic acid. It appears this boy had more than a hair
fetish.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Many things change
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:24:08 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <8C2A346.081101253E.uuout@almac.co.uk>,
>angus.mclellan@almac.co.uk (ANGUS MCLELLAN) said:
>>
>>In article <4plrgq$s9@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
>>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) rides again
>>
>>> It is good to see you agree that Britain declared selective war
>>>upon Germany and that it "treaty" with Poland was a meaningless excuse.
>>I hope that Mr Giwer (and anyone else who is interested) will take the
>>time to complete the little quiz I set on the subject of the German and
>>Soviet invasions of Poland and their background.
>I like this, sort of the "Socratic" approach. The results should be
>interesting. :-)
>[quiz deleted]
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
JAPANESE WAR CRIMES TRIALS
While Germans were being convicted of making human "soap" (taken
seriously in the seventh edition of Oppenheim and Lauterpacht's
prestigious International Law, vol. II, p. 450) Japanese defendants were
being convicted of making human "soup" in repeated trials.
This is not a misprint; it was considered a "proven fact" in 1948 - a
"fact" proven in numerous "trials" - that the Japanese are a race of
habitual cannibals who were forbidden upon pain of death from devouring
the corpses of their own dead, but who were officially encouraged to eat
Americans. Americans were served fried, or as soup; people were eaten
when other food was available. Thus, the Japanese engage in cannibalism
out of choice rather than necessity. Favourite human body parts for
culinary purposes are liver, pancreas and gall bladder; Chinese are
swallowed in pill form!
Among the "trials" in which this was "proven" are U.S. Tachibana Yochio
and 13 others, Mariana Islands, 2nd-15th August, 1946; Commonwealth of
Australia vs. Tazaki Takehiko, Wewak, 30th November 1945; Commonwealth
of Australia v. Tomiyasu Tisato, Rabaul, 2nd April 1946; and the most
complex war crimes trial in history, the International Military Tribunal
for the Far East (IMTFE) personally supervised by Douglas McArthur,
which lasted from May 1946 until December 1948 (see The Tokyo Judgment,
vol. 1, pp. 409-410, University of Amsterdam Press 1977, pp. 49,674-5 of
mimeographed transcript.
The 25 defendants who survived trial were all convicted; 7 were hanged.
Their crimes included:
Planning, initiation and waging "aggressive war" against the Soviet
Union (the Soviet Union attacked Japan two days after Hiroshima in
violation of a Non-Agression Pact; on this same day the London Agreement
was signed, pursuant to which the Nuremberg Trial was held); planning,
initiation, and waging "aggressive war" against France (France is in
Europe); illegal sea blockade and indiscriminate population bombing
(case against Shimada), that is, the actions of the British in Europe
would have been illegal if committed by the Japanese; trial of war
criminals before a military tribunal (case against Hata and Tojo; see
also U.S. vs. Sawada, probably the most disgusting and hypocritical
accusation of all; the victims were 7 Americans guilty of participating
in the fire-bombing of Tokyo in which 80,000 women and children were
burned to death) and cannibalism. It was not alleged that the defendants
ate anyone personally.
The evidence included:
* Soviet War Crimes Reports * Chinese War Crimes Reports * Soviet
reports based on Japanese documents not attached to the reports *
Summaries of Japanese military aggression in China (written by the
Chinese) * 317 Judge Advocate General War Crimes Reports (total length:
14,618 pages) "quoting" "captured" Japanese documents, diaries,
cannibalism confessions, mass murder orders, orders to gas P.O.W.s on
remote South Sea islands, etc. ("captured documents" not attached to
reports; proof of authenticity not required) * affidavits of Japanese
soldiers imprisoned in Siberia * affidavits of Japanese referring to
Japs as the 'enemy' * affidavits of Red Army Officers * newspaper
clippings (admissable evidence for the prosecution, but not usually for
the defense; i.e., events in China were proven by quoting the Chicago
Daily Tribune, the New Orleans Times- Picayune, the Sacrimento Herald,
Oakland Tribune, New York Herald, New York Times, Christian Science
Monitor, etc. * the "affidavit" of Marquis Takugawa (written in English
and not read to him in Japanese) * the statements of Okawa (Okawa was
declared insane and confined to a lunatic asylum, but his statements
were used in evidence) * the testimony of Tanaka (a professional witness
paid by the Americans; Okawa, when drunk, has confessed everything to
Tanaka; Tanaka 'The Monster' Ryukichi was supposedly responsible for
millions of atrocities but was not tried, instead he moved freely about
Japan) * Kido's diary (titbits of gossip about everybody Kido didn't
like) * Harada's Memoirs (Harada had suffered a stroke, so his dictation
was incomprehensible; how well he could remember and what he meant to
say were anybody's guess; the translations were a guess; many different
"copies" had been "corrected" by a variety of people other than the
person to whom he had dictated; added to which he had a reputation for
telling lies).
The Prosecution's Answer to Defense Arguments at the end of the trial
refutes all defensive evidence, stating that documents (translations of
excerpts "copies" without proof of issuance or signature) are the best
witnesses. If prosecution and defense both quote a document, defense
have quoted out of context, but never the prosecution. Hearsay has
probative value; testimony of defense witnesses has no probative value;
cross- examination is a waste of time.
Five of the 11 judges - William Webb of Australia, Delfin Jaranilla of
the Philippines, and Bert. A. Ršling of the Netherlands, Henri Bernhard
of France, and R.B. Pal of India - dissented. Pal wrote a famous 700
page dissentient opinion in which he called the prosecution atrocity
evidence "mostly worthless", remarking sarcastically that he hoped one
of the documents was in Japanese.
A peculiarity of war crimes trials is that far from "proving" anything,
they all contradict each other. It was held at Tokyo that the Chinese
had a "right" to violate "unfair" treaties, and that Japanese efforts to
enforce such treaties - because they were "unfair" - constituted
"aggression".
When the atomic bombs were dropped, Shigemitsu had been attempting to
negotiate a surrender for nearly 11 months, beginning on September 14,
1944. This of course became another "crime" - "prolonging the war
through negotiation".
"Proof" of Japanese cannibal activity may be found in JAG Report 317,
pp. 12,467-8 of mimeographed transcript; Exhibits 1446 and 1447, pp.
12,576-7; Exhibit 1873, pp. 14, 129-30, and Exhibits 2056 and 2056A and
B, pp. 15,032- 42.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A match made in heaven?
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:26:37 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4poio9$4ui@atlas.uniserve.com>, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary
>Ostrov) said:
>>I do hope the Giwer-troll sees this one. Looks like if he played his
>>cards just right, he might be able to persuade this societal misfit that
>>she should pay him some attention. They obviously have a great deal in
>>common. I think they'll get along famously.
>>Just imagine! Ingrid will be able to add their thanks to her growing list
>>of appreciative testimonials.
>>And If we are *really* lucky, H*berlette and Giwer-troll will get so
>>involved in their off-line personal correspondence that they will forget
>>all about posting their hate-filled fact-bereft drivel to this newsgroup.
>>And we'll all post happily ever after. Well, I can dream, can't I?!
>To dream....the impossible dream......
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT
" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: At least part of the Degesh publication
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:04:16 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q368q$s1l@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:
>Nothing. In response to Mr. Morris' cogent and revealing article, the
>Giwer-troll said nothing at all.
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the miliary justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
The power research department of the Institute for Advanced Holohugger
Exposure has swung into action.
1) Quotes 15,000 per day for Belzec, 20,000 per day for Sobibor, 25,000
per day for Treblinka.
But perhaps they took the weekends off to get the average down to
today's slightly less absurd numbers.
2) Claims that Hitler and Himmler were at Majdanek (Lublin) on 15
August1942. Hitler is supposed to have said: "Quicker, quicker, carry
out the whole program!" Globocnik goes into his speech about sinking
bronze tablets into the ground commemorating the deed, and Hitler says,
"Yes, my good Globocnik, that is the word, that is my opinion, too."
Which is quite an incriminating statement by Hitler. Maybe it was one
of his doubles because he was never near the place.
3) On August 18, 1942, a train arrives at Belzec, 45 train cars with
6,700 people, of whom 1,450 are already dead.
Although not as bad as the packing factor below still pretty good.
4) The hair of the women is put into huge potatobags for "special
submarine equipment, doormats, etc."
Looks like these witnesses all had a hair fetish.
5) Completely naked they march by, men, women, girls, babies,
even one-legged persons, completely naked. in Augst.
Perhaps it was the handicapped drill team from Lublin. But wait there's
more
Meanwhile, the rest of the transport, all naked, wait. Somebody
says to me, "Naked in winter! But they can die that way!"
The weather appears to be quite changeable in Poland.
6) 7-800 crushed together on 25 square meters, in 45 cubic
meters!
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here and use 700. That means the
human body fits in a 0.06 meter cube. For the part of the world that
matters, that is a cube 15.8 inches on a side. Does, "not even if
reduced to liquid" mean anything to anyone?
Of course he might have just been trying to say that there were 28
people per square meter and that the roof was high enough that they
could form five high human pyramids.
7) The diesel engine fails to start. It takes 2 hours and 49 minutes,
according to Gerstein, who is using a stopwatch. Then it starts and it
takes 32 minutes to kill the people in the chamber.
And the famous story of how all of these people died, not from lack of
oxygen after 2 hours and 49 minutes in a sealed room, but from diesel
exhaust.
8) The figures announced by the BBC are inaccurate. Actually,
about 25 million persons were killed: not only Jews, however but
especially Poles and Czechoslovakians, too, who were in the opinion of
the Nazis bad stock.
It appears the holocausters are ignoring many more than the remaining 6
million, but rather the remaining 19 million victims.
9) at Treblinka There were 8 gas chanbers and whole mountains of
clothes and underwear about 35 -40 meters high
Sounds like Mt. Trashmore to me. Lets see between 115 and 130 foot high
piles of clothing and underwear. Although the underwear would account
for the smell it is unclear how those Polish spies missed this.
10) Gerstein claims that the worst camps were Auschwitz and Mauthausen,
where These are the places where millions of people disappeared
in gas chambers or gas chamber like cars. The method of killing the
children was to hold a tampon with prussic acid under the nose.
A tampon with prussic acid. It appears this boy had more than a hair
fetish.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Forensic Studies, Enemies of the Myth
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:03:42 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q36pi$s1l@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:
>Nothing. In response to my post as to what a loon he is, he simply said
>nothing. Boy, if the Giwer-troll can be wiped out so easily by a
>third-string holohugger like me, what is he going to if the big guns decide
>to take him on?
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the miliary justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
The power research department of the Institute for Advanced Holohugger
Exposure has swung into action.
1) Quotes 15,000 per day for Belzec, 20,000 per day for Sobibor, 25,000
per day for Treblinka.
But perhaps they took the weekends off to get the average down to
today's slightly less absurd numbers.
2) Claims that Hitler and Himmler were at Majdanek (Lublin) on 15
August1942. Hitler is supposed to have said: "Quicker, quicker, carry
out the whole program!" Globocnik goes into his speech about sinking
bronze tablets into the ground commemorating the deed, and Hitler says,
"Yes, my good Globocnik, that is the word, that is my opinion, too."
Which is quite an incriminating statement by Hitler. Maybe it was one
of his doubles because he was never near the place.
3) On August 18, 1942, a train arrives at Belzec, 45 train cars with
6,700 people, of whom 1,450 are already dead.
Although not as bad as the packing factor below still pretty good.
4) The hair of the women is put into huge potatobags for "special
submarine equipment, doormats, etc."
Looks like these witnesses all had a hair fetish.
5) Completely naked they march by, men, women, girls, babies,
even one-legged persons, completely naked. in Augst.
Perhaps it was the handicapped drill team from Lublin. But wait there's
more
Meanwhile, the rest of the transport, all naked, wait. Somebody
says to me, "Naked in winter! But they can die that way!"
The weather appears to be quite changeable in Poland.
6) 7-800 crushed together on 25 square meters, in 45 cubic
meters!
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here and use 700. That means the
human body fits in a 0.06 meter cube. For the part of the world that
matters, that is a cube 15.8 inches on a side. Does, "not even if
reduced to liquid" mean anything to anyone?
Of course he might have just been trying to say that there were 28
people per square meter and that the roof was high enough that they
could form five high human pyramids.
7) The diesel engine fails to start. It takes 2 hours and 49 minutes,
according to Gerstein, who is using a stopwatch. Then it starts and it
takes 32 minutes to kill the people in the chamber.
And the famous story of how all of these people died, not from lack of
oxygen after 2 hours and 49 minutes in a sealed room, but from diesel
exhaust.
8) The figures announced by the BBC are inaccurate. Actually,
about 25 million persons were killed: not only Jews, however but
especially Poles and Czechoslovakians, too, who were in the opinion of
the Nazis bad stock.
It appears the holocausters are ignoring many more than the remaining 6
million, but rather the remaining 19 million victims.
9) at Treblinka There were 8 gas chanbers and whole mountains of
clothes and underwear about 35 -40 meters high
Sounds like Mt. Trashmore to me. Lets see between 115 and 130 foot high
piles of clothing and underwear. Although the underwear would account
for the smell it is unclear how those Polish spies missed this.
10) Gerstein claims that the worst camps were Auschwitz and Mauthausen,
where These are the places where millions of people disappeared
in gas chambers or gas chamber like cars. The method of killing the
children was to hold a tampon with prussic acid under the nose.
A tampon with prussic acid. It appears this boy had more than a hair
fetish.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ghettos?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:23:06 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q3b7u$cl@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:
>Nothing. In response to my statement that he invents things from whole
>cloth, he said nothing at all. Confirmation of the accuracy of my statement
>if I ever saw it. Silent acquiesence.
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the miliary justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
The power research department of the Institute for Advanced Holohugger
Exposure has swung into action.
1) Quotes 15,000 per day for Belzec, 20,000 per day for Sobibor, 25,000
per day for Treblinka.
But perhaps they took the weekends off to get the average down to
today's slightly less absurd numbers.
2) Claims that Hitler and Himmler were at Majdanek (Lublin) on 15
August1942. Hitler is supposed to have said: "Quicker, quicker, carry
out the whole program!" Globocnik goes into his speech about sinking
bronze tablets into the ground commemorating the deed, and Hitler says,
"Yes, my good Globocnik, that is the word, that is my opinion, too."
Which is quite an incriminating statement by Hitler. Maybe it was one
of his doubles because he was never near the place.
3) On August 18, 1942, a train arrives at Belzec, 45 train cars with
6,700 people, of whom 1,450 are already dead.
Although not as bad as the packing factor below still pretty good.
4) The hair of the women is put into huge potatobags for "special
submarine equipment, doormats, etc."
Looks like these witnesses all had a hair fetish.
5) Completely naked they march by, men, women, girls, babies,
even one-legged persons, completely naked. in Augst.
Perhaps it was the handicapped drill team from Lublin. But wait there's
more
Meanwhile, the rest of the transport, all naked, wait. Somebody
says to me, "Naked in winter! But they can die that way!"
The weather appears to be quite changeable in Poland.
6) 7-800 crushed together on 25 square meters, in 45 cubic
meters!
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here and use 700. That means the
human body fits in a 0.06 meter cube. For the part of the world that
matters, that is a cube 15.8 inches on a side. Does, "not even if
reduced to liquid" mean anything to anyone?
Of course he might have just been trying to say that there were 28
people per square meter and that the roof was high enough that they
could form five high human pyramids.
7) The diesel engine fails to start. It takes 2 hours and 49 minutes,
according to Gerstein, who is using a stopwatch. Then it starts and it
takes 32 minutes to kill the people in the chamber.
And the famous story of how all of these people died, not from lack of
oxygen after 2 hours and 49 minutes in a sealed room, but from diesel
exhaust.
8) The figures announced by the BBC are inaccurate. Actually,
about 25 million persons were killed: not only Jews, however but
especially Poles and Czechoslovakians, too, who were in the opinion of
the Nazis bad stock.
It appears the holocausters are ignoring many more than the remaining 6
million, but rather the remaining 19 million victims.
9) at Treblinka There were 8 gas chanbers and whole mountains of
clothes and underwear about 35 -40 meters high
Sounds like Mt. Trashmore to me. Lets see between 115 and 130 foot high
piles of clothing and underwear. Although the underwear would account
for the smell it is unclear how those Polish spies missed this.
10) Gerstein claims that the worst camps were Auschwitz and Mauthausen,
where These are the places where millions of people disappeared
in gas chambers or gas chamber like cars. The method of killing the
children was to hold a tampon with prussic acid under the nose.
A tampon with prussic acid. It appears this boy had more than a hair
fetish.
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Giwer, home of ignorance
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:04:18 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q2gnt$q1l@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com said:
>> You really can't figure it out can you?
>> "I was an inmate at Auschwitz."
>> "And what can you tell us that provide evidence that you were?"
>> "Duh ..."
>> Repetition of, I was there, is not an adequate answer. The person could
>>provide detailed descriptions of the camp that match photographs, papers,
>>records, a lot of things like that. It is no different than an expert
>>witness reciting his credentials. Such recitation can be confirmed
>>independent of the person making the statement.
>The Liar-Giwer-Troll knows very well that it is very much different. The
>people sent to Auschwitz were not "expert witnesses". They were innocent
>and terrified people who had been subjected to all sorts of harassment and
>now were about to be murdered. The lucky few who survived can certainly be
>forgiven if their recollection of the exact dimensions of the gas chambers,
>or the precise number of guards, or other such things, is not 100% accurate.
>The Liar-Giwer-Troll must assume that everyone lies like he does.
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the miliary justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
The power research department of the Institute for Advanced Holohugger
Exposure has swung into action.
1) Quotes 15,000 per day for Belzec, 20,000 per day for Sobibor, 25,000
per day for Treblinka.
But perhaps they took the weekends off to get the average down to
today's slightly less absurd numbers.
2) Claims that Hitler and Himmler were at Majdanek (Lublin) on 15
August1942. Hitler is supposed to have said: "Quicker, quicker, carry
out the whole program!" Globocnik goes into his speech about sinking
bronze tablets into the ground commemorating the deed, and Hitler says,
"Yes, my good Globocnik, that is the word, that is my opinion, too."
Which is quite an incriminating statement by Hitler. Maybe it was one
of his doubles because he was never near the place.
3) On August 18, 1942, a train arrives at Belzec, 45 train cars with
6,700 people, of whom 1,450 are already dead.
Although not as bad as the packing factor below still pretty good.
4) The hair of the women is put into huge potatobags for "special
submarine equipment, doormats, etc."
Looks like these witnesses all had a hair fetish.
5) Completely naked they march by, men, women, girls, babies,
even one-legged persons, completely naked. in Augst.
Perhaps it was the handicapped drill team from Lublin. But wait there's
more
Meanwhile, the rest of the transport, all naked, wait. Somebody
says to me, "Naked in winter! But they can die that way!"
The weather appears to be quite changeable in Poland.
6) 7-800 crushed together on 25 square meters, in 45 cubic
meters!
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here and use 700. That means the
human body fits in a 0.06 meter cube. For the part of the world that
matters, that is a cube 15.8 inches on a side. Does, "not even if
reduced to liquid" mean anything to anyone?
Of course he might have just been trying to say that there were 28
people per square meter and that the roof was high enough that they
could form five high human pyramids.
7) The diesel engine fails to start. It takes 2 hours and 49 minutes,
according to Gerstein, who is using a stopwatch. Then it starts and it
takes 32 minutes to kill the people in the chamber.
And the famous story of how all of these people died, not from lack of
oxygen after 2 hours and 49 minutes in a sealed room, but from diesel
exhaust.
8) The figures announced by the BBC are inaccurate. Actually,
about 25 million persons were killed: not only Jews, however but
especially Poles and Czechoslovakians, too, who were in the opinion of
the Nazis bad stock.
It appears the holocausters are ignoring many more than the remaining 6
million, but rather the remaining 19 million victims.
9) at Treblinka There were 8 gas chanbers and whole mountains of
clothes and underwear about 35 -40 meters high
Sounds like Mt. Trashmore to me. Lets see between 115 and 130 foot high
piles of clothing and underwear. Although the underwear would account
for the smell it is unclear how those Polish spies missed this.
10) Gerstein claims that the worst camps were Auschwitz and Mauthausen,
where These are the places where millions of people disappeared
in gas chambers or gas chamber like cars. The method of killing the
children was to hold a tampon with prussic acid under the nose.
A tampon with prussic acid. It appears this boy had more than a hair
fetish.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust; Six million dead
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q33sg$sd2@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt
>Giwer) said:
>>>> Actually a quite limited bit of truth.
>>>Oh..oh. I suspect we are about to be treated to the Giwer-troll version
>of
>>>history . Its distinguishing characteristic is that it is wrong and
>>>slanted. Let's see what happens today.
>[stupid irrelevant quot deleted]
>> Good enough for today?
>About what one expects from a lying phoney.
>>>> The Nazis came to power in Jan 1933 when they managed to put together a
>>>>governing coalition of the parties which held seats in the Reichstag.
>>>Wrong. The Nazis came to power in January 1933 when Hitler was named
>>>Chancellor by the Reichpresident. The "coalition" was not put together
>>>until March 1933, by which time Hitler had banned the Communist Party.
>That
>>>made achieving a majority in the March 1933 elections somewhat easier,
>since
>>>around 80 seats in the Reichstag had "disappeared".
>> You really do need to learn something about both parliamentary forms of
>>government and what in fact happened.
>Funny. I don't see a single word of rebuttal here from the Giwer-troll.
>Given his modus operandi, that usually means he has been caught--again--with
>his pants down, in yet another lie, and is trying to divert attention from
>it.
>>>> Between then and March international Jewish organizations
>>>>organized a permanent economic boycott against Germany in the middle of
>>>>the Depression. They announced it in March. One week later there was a
>>>>one day boycott of Jewish merchants in Germany organized by the Nazis.
>>>Wrong. This has all been posted several times. The one-day boycott by
>the
>>>Nazis was one day only because of the threat of a worldwide boycott of
>>>German goods. The so-called international boycott was the result of
>German
>>>harassment of Jews.
>>>This is about par for the course for the Giwer-troll. Two assertions--two
>>>mistakes.
>> You insist upon presenting things in a backwards and in fact impossible
>>order. There was absolutely ZERO harrassment of Jews by Nazis before the
>>boycott.
>The Giwer-troll is wrong again. That's two-for-two. He should be in
>baseball, as he is definitely a minor leaguer when it comes to this stuff.
>> But of course, be the latest to attempt to modify history. Post the
>>harrassment.
>The difference between the Giwer-troll and me is that I know, and post,
>history. He does neither. He just lies and lies and lies and......
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the military justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
========
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust; Six million dead
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:44:06 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q33tp$sd2@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt
>Giwer) said:
>>
>>gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>>>In article <4plur1$91q@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt
>>>Giwer) said:
>>>>>Since you are able to judge translations, I take it you are able to
>>>>>read this text in the original language.
>>>>> Noch im Sommer 1942 wurden die Leichen
>>>>> in die MassengrŠber gebracht. Erst Ende des
>>>>> Sommers fingen wir an mit der Verbrennung;
>>>>> zuerst auf einem Holzsto§ mit ca. 2000 Leichen,
>>>>> nachher in den Gruben mit den wieder freigelegten
>>>>> Leichen aus der frźheren Zeit.[1]
>>>> That is about as cute as it is stupid. Would you like to try for idiot
>>>>of the year award?
>>>I still don't see the Giwer-troll's translation. Is it possible he
>doesn't
>>>know what the text says? Is it possible that....
>Still don't see the translation. Just another lie.
>A brief sampling of the Giwer-troll lies.
>1. That the allies did not refer to themselves as the "United
> Nations";
>2. That tape recorders were not available during WWII;
>3. That head lice are the vector for typhus;
>4. That the IMT convicted and hung defendants for participating in
> the Katyn Wood massacre;
>5. That Oswald Pohl was convicted of "steaming" people to death;
>6. That Turkey is part of Europe;
>7. That Raoul Wallenberg was a financial contributor to building
> the Holocaust Museum in Washington;
>8. That there were no protests in front of the Cambodian embassy
> in Washington;
>9. That "Miranda rights" were not in use in the military justice
> system prior to the Miranda decision;
>10. That the jury system is considered a basic human right by the
> United Nations . . . .. .
>11. That Israel has a written constitution;
>12. That CO2 gas cannot be an acid;
>13. That burning of coke is a commercial source of HCN;
>14. That the Nazi boycott of Jewish stores in April 1933 lasted
> only one day. . . .
>15. That Ca3(PO4)2 burns.
>16. That burning atmospheric nitrogen produces HCN.
>17. That human beings are only (.18)(.10) = 1.8% fat.
>18. That combustion of the human body is not exothermic.
>19. That atmospheric CO2 saturates water so that it cannot
> dissolve more CO2 if the partial pressure increase.
>20. That the calcium in bones burns.
>21. That Mr. McFee is Marduk.
>22. That Mueller was not head of the Gestapo.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, an obscene and pathetic troller
>whose only interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while accusing
>others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to see posts
>which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when they have been
>e-mailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally conducted himself
>with such complete lack of intellectual and factual integrity that there
>seems to be no point in taking the time to read and respond. For detailed
>and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
The power research department of the Institute for Advanced Holohugger
Exposure has swung into action.
1) Quotes 15,000 per day for Belzec, 20,000 per day for Sobibor, 25,000
per day for Treblinka.
But perhaps they took the weekends off to get the average down to
today's slightly less absurd numbers.
2) Claims that Hitler and Himmler were at Majdanek (Lublin) on 15
August1942. Hitler is supposed to have said: "Quicker, quicker, carry
out the whole program!" Globocnik goes into his speech about sinking
bronze tablets into the ground commemorating the deed, and Hitler says,
"Yes, my good Globocnik, that is the word, that is my opinion, too."
Which is quite an incriminating statement by Hitler. Maybe it was one
of his doubles because he was never near the place.
3) On August 18, 1942, a train arrives at Belzec, 45 train cars with
6,700 people, of whom 1,450 are already dead.
Although not as bad as the packing factor below still pretty good.
4) The hair of the women is put into huge potatobags for "special
submarine equipment, doormats, etc."
Looks like these witnesses all had a hair fetish.
5) Completely naked they march by, men, women, girls, babies,
even one-legged persons, completely naked. in Augst.
Perhaps it was the handicapped drill team from Lublin. But wait there's
more
Meanwhile, the rest of the transport, all naked, wait. Somebody
says to me, "Naked in winter! But they can die that way!"
The weather appears to be quite changeable in Poland.
6) 7-800 crushed together on 25 square meters, in 45 cubic
meters!
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt here and use 700. That means the
human body fits in a 0.06 meter cube. For the part of the world that
matters, that is a cube 15.8 inches on a side. Does, "not even if
reduced to liquid" mean anything to anyone?
Of course he might have just been trying to say that there were 28
people per square meter and that the roof was high enough that they
could form five high human pyramids.
7) The diesel engine fails to start. It takes 2 hours and 49 minutes,
according to Gerstein, who is using a stopwatch. Then it starts and it
takes 32 minutes to kill the people in the chamber.
And the famous story of how all of these people died, not from lack of
oxygen after 2 hours and 49 minutes in a sealed room, but from diesel
exhaust.
8) The figures announced by the BBC are inaccurate. Actually,
about 25 million persons were killed: not only Jews, however but
especially Poles and Czechoslovakians, too, who were in the opinion of
the Nazis bad stock.
It appears the holocausters are ignoring many more than the remaining 6
million, but rather the remaining 19 million victims.
9) at Treblinka There were 8 gas chanbers and whole mountains of
clothes and underwear about 35 -40 meters high
Sounds like Mt. Trashmore to me. Lets see between 115 and 130 foot high
piles of clothing and underwear. Although the underwear would account
for the smell it is unclear how those Polish spies missed this.
10) Gerstein claims that the worst camps were Auschwitz and Mauthausen,
where These are the places where millions of people disappeared
in gas chambers or gas chamber like cars. The method of killing the
children was to hold a tampon with prussic acid under the nose.
A tampon with prussic acid. It appears this boy had more than a hair
fetish.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics
Subject: Re: Are the media inaccurate? Griswald tha turkey
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Chuck Ferree wrote:
>Chuck Ferree writes:
>Dear Lester,
>In response to your very thoughtful post of this date, I just wanted
>to express my deep gratitude for your message, which I'm sure comes
>from the heart and is well intended.
>You must have seen the great photo of me posted by Jeannie. You should
>look so good when you're a grizzled old fart. (but you should also
>live so long).
>Les Griswold wrote:
>>
>> Grizzled old fart Chuckles Ferree (chuckf@rio.com) writes:
>clipped all the cheap shots out. But I did mean for you to take my
>advise seriously. Took me many years of self control to learn those
>lessons, which I pass on to you for free and I hope in time.
>> Jealous, old man? What you used to be able to do all night, it now takes
>> you all night to do?
>Not really, just about ten minutes longer, but it's still a beautiful
>thing. And no kids lurking around the corners.
>>
>> But really, Chuckles, such filthy talk ill suits a distinguished man such
>> as yourself.
>I'm sorry if my advise offended you, Leslie, my boy, it was said with
>the best of intentions, and your health and welfare in mind.
> After all, you're a hoity-toity hollow-causer, one of those
>> Americans who was everywhere and saw everything.
>Yeah, just about everything there is to see. Plus I've done everything
>I ever wanted to do.
>How about you?
>I ask you now, hoity-toity? Is that a wholesome way to put it? The
>other phrase escapes me: hollow-causer, sort of sounds like something
>the Giwer Liar would say. You are maybe low-down, but are you saying
>that you're at his level? I mean that is one very sick man!
> Should you really be
>> talking about solitary vices?
>Oh, that's O.K. when you reach the grizzled old fart stage of life. A
>vice is a vice, not too many left.
>>
>> > Even as an old fart, I can still cause punks like you to holler for
>> > help.
>>
>> :-)
>Right! If you ever see me in a dark alley, better speed it up, cause
>it's all over quick.
>:-)
>Guess the matter of gas chambers in Dachau is settled then. You lose.
>Chuck
>> Les
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT
" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Trolling again, but with an interesting idea
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 21:13:10 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q4t5h$9q5@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael
>P. Stein) said:
>[snip]
>>> As you remember, I publically asked for documentation of gassing.
>> No, I don't remember. Why don't you repost the article in which you
>>did so? I found one in which you talked about the Wannsee Protocol being
>>offered as evidence of _extermintion_. But that is not identical to
>>gassing.
>Your memory is correct.
>> Psychic prediction: Giwer will never post or give a DejaNews URL for
>>the article which supports this "memory."
>That's because there isn't one.
>>> As you remember, Keren played a game of posting it in German for a
>>>couple weeks.
>> No, I don't remember. And neither does DejaNews. It only remembers
>>Gordon McFee posting it in German. And it was not in response to a
>>request for documentation of _gassing_. I can not change the history as
>>recorded on DejaNews and neither can you. It says you are lying. Sorry
>>about that.
>I posted it in German because the denier-scum in this newsgroup, including
>the one you are corresponding with, always insist on primary documentation.
>The original is pretty damned primary IMHO. Of course, I could have also
>posted it in French and English, but I would have been pilloried for
>spamming.
>[rest deleted]
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
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Subject: Ooooo, those nasty SS
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:53:37 GMT
" The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the seven
entrances to the four-story
house, with their tongues and lips. After those stairways were wased,
the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All garbage
had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. "
IMT VII - p.491.
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From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
Subject: Re: Giwer's silica/Erco lie
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:00:09 GMT
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) asked rhetorically:
>> What is "Erco?"
>mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) replied:
>> That is what I asked you folks. Now if you can identify this as silica
>> gel I will be interested in reading the document and the source.
> Another lie from Matt Giwer. Erco was identified as silica gel
>back in February, as Mr. Giwer undoubtedly knows (and would
>rather forget, no doubt)...
> From: hmazal@txdirect.net
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Subject: Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
> Date: 5 Feb 1996 07:07:35 GMT
>
> Mr. Giwer has been posing the possibility that a witness might not
> have seen Zyklon-B in the form of "blue crystals." He has
> further stated that Zyklon-B was simply hydrogen cyanide gas
> adsorbed onto small pellets of "kitty litter." He also stated on
> one occasion that the product was blue because liquid HCN was blue,
> which is patently false. Rather than detract and admit his mistake,
> he went on to tell he had _not_ said that but rather that the 'blue'
> color was due to a reaction between the hydrogen cyanide and the
> support material, which is highly unlikely.
>
> Mr. Giwer has also suggested that Zyklon-B was only produced in the
> manner described above, rather than on various supports, insisting
> that the information given on the patents was not reliable.He did
> not accept that Zyklon-B was produced employing treated lignite
> disks, treated diatomaceous earth and, more important, on cubes of
> silica gel. This last material appears to be a crystal although, of
> course it is not.
>
> [...]
>
> (From page 21 of Pressac's book. ***emphasis*** mine : HWM)
>
> 2) "Photo 20"
>
> "500 grams can of Zyklon-B without it's label, containing small
> ***bluish pellets*** of porous silica known as Erco [...]
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/zyklon-b
>Mr. Giwer has been made aware of this. For example, on January 30th, he
>called Mr. Mazal "shit for brains" and quoted this text back to him:
> > References? Pages 20-21 of Pressac's book. Look for 'Erco.'
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer.0196
>(line 8,125 [sic])
>> As you know the holohuggers here, up until a couple weeks ago, had it as
>> an article of faith that silica gel was the carrier and that it was
>> blue. Are you saying they were lying? Or are you saying that you agree
>> with me that it was not is described by the eyewitnesses?
> Of course silica gel is bluish, as pointed out by Pressac and
>by the Degesch manual, which Mr. Giwer himself has quoted numerous times:
> blue cubes (Erco)
>In other words, Mr. Giwer has been caught in yet another lie -- how many
>does that make? Are we up to thirty yet?
>Really, Mr. Giwer. Have you no shame?
>--
>Nizkor Canada - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>FTP Canada: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
>FTP Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Strange things on IX
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article ,
>jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>>It's probably beyond him. This is one of the "66 Q&A," which means that
>>this claim of Giwer's has been refuted for a bit over six months:
>>
>>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/features/qar/qar03.html
>>
>>Giwer makes a point of searching Nizkor to find errors. Obviously, if
>>he ever stumbles across the truth there, he ignores it.
>Interesting - the results, that is. So far, he's found one
>error, in a citation from the Tusa's book. Perhaps, with
>another year or two, he may locate another one, who knows?
>Stranger things have happened.
>Mr. Giwer is, as far as I can determine, a troller whose only
>interest is in causing fights. While he can sound superficially
>plausible, he has lied about what has been said in exchanges (while
>accusing others of lying), refused to document claims, pretended not to
>see posts which contain documented refutation of his claims (even when
>they have been emailed to him), engaged in actual libel, and generally
>conducted himself with such complete lack of intellectual and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond. For detailed and documented evidence of this, please refer to
>URL http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt
>Followups to Giwer trolls should be redirected to Mr. Giwer's
>special newsgroup, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer, where they will be
>appropriately ignored.
>--
>Nizkor Canada - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>FTP Canada: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?
>FTP Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)......unlearn
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Marduk forging again?
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 08:56:21 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q4jtf$sia@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael
>P. Stein) said:
>>
>>In article <4q45im$qcs@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU>,
>>Richard J. Green wrote:
>>>Mr. Giwer has been posting with two different headers. Perhaps, he has
>>>just changed the way his software is set up, or perhaps Marduk is at it
>>>again.
>>>
>>>Comments?
>> Genuine Giwer articles come from visibly different posting hosts than
>>the Marduk forgeries. I haven't received any rugelach in the mail, so
>>unless Marduk has gotten smarter, the new headers are still genuine Giwer,
>>and the content appears to be as well.
>I would tend to agree. A Giwer a day keeps the MAALOX away.
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the slot and a sniper shot at him from behind the slot. In
practice this arrangement did not
prove satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8
days a new arrangement
was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed against the wall; an iron
plate was then slowly
lowered onto his head. The prisoner was under the impression that he was
being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with
a blow on the back of the head. He dropped dead. The iron plate was
operated by a foot lever in
a corner of the room. "
IMT VII - p. 377.
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Then there were some show acquittals
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
>In article <4q4nhi$3mh@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael
>P. Stein) said:
>>
>>In article <4q2mto$aua@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
>> plagiarized the work of Carlos Porter without
>>giving proper attribution:
>>[snip]
>> Probably lifted from:
>>http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/trials/trintglt.html
>> Presenting the work of others without proper attribution is dishonest
>>and lacks integrity. Mr. Porter should be given proper credit for his
>>work.
>You surely didn't expect any better, did you Mr. Stein?
>--
>Gord McFee
>.. I'll write no line before its time(gmcfee@ibm.net)
>-- MR/2 2.26 #331
>
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Subject: What a clever way to kill people
From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:48:00 GMT
"PAUL WALDMANN: In this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot
in the wall,
approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war stood with
the back of his head
against the